Posts by Touchofgrey

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What would happen to a JW for celebrating Christmas?

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones writes:.

if they were spied upon and it was reported to the elders they’d be “invited” to a judicial committee whereupon they’d be cross examined in a locked backroom by three men acting as judge and jury to decide if they are guilty.. .

if the elders decide that they are guilty, they’ll then decide if the person is sorry.

Touchofgrey

I knew some jws who would invite family members over for a special meal on the 25th of December including elders with the excuse being that everyone is on holiday. As long as no pagan decorations or a tree was visible nobody would bother.

Again jws cherry picking what they considered as pagan eg decorations and tree to make themselves different from other "Christian" religions.

Like the pagans who also believed in virgin birth, miracles like turning water into wine etc, resurrection stories, ascension stories .

One of the few things jws were right about the pagan stories that were accepted into religions and the bible so as to include as many people as possible.

What you find out when you do independent research into the bible and its stories.

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

Touchofgrey

The earliest copy of 1st Timothy dates to the 3rd century, so no one can say with 100% certainty that what the original said because we don't have a copy to compare.

So again all those references can't all be right but they all can be wrong.

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Watchtower Used to Teach Jesus Was Not an Angel and was "the Lord from Heaven" Who Died on a Cross!

by Sea Breeze in

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no wonder they instructed congregation elders to throw away old literature from kingdon hall libraries.

Touchofgrey

The oldest manuscripts containing some or all of the text of 1 st Corinthians

Papyrus 46 ad 175 -225

Codex Vaticanus ad 325-350

Codex sinaiticus ad 330-360

So no one can say with 100 % certainty what Paul wrote or that the manuscripts had not been altered or someone else had put their own interpretation on his work in the 150 + years since no one has the originals to compare it too .

So all the different translations can't all be right but they all can be wrong.

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EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

by raymond frantz in

jw
friends

https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

shame is an ancient form of control.

shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

Touchofgrey

Sea breeze

How many of these people were god believers (USA is a Christian country)before they sadly succumbed to their addiction?

Again can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the all the things that the bible claims he did.

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What the watchtower demands from you

by Ron.W. in

perhaps you considering joining the wt cult - here is a concise list of why you should not.. what the watchtower demands of you:.

1.complete obedience to them.. 2. be willing to lose your life for zany blood teachings.. 3.put other cult members before your real family.. 4.refusal to let you leave their religion when the penny drops it's a cult.. 6.accept that they can backtrack and change any of their flip flop teachings at any time.. 7. you can't change your mind about their teachings without harsh discipline,.

8. insistence that you humbly and quickly apologise for your mistakes and errors.. 9.gladly accept they will never be apologising for any of their mistakes or errors of judgement.. 10.accept that even ones who follow and believe in the bible, but not the governing body are worthy of destruction.. please feel free to add more..

Touchofgrey

How you dress and grooming yourself.

What you read ,watch and listen too .

Don't listen to or believe outside sources, only listen to the gb they know best .

It's like Being controlled and manipulated in a abusive relationship. I know this from a personal experience, educating myself about such behaviours gave me the courage to leave a abusive marriage and then a abusive and controlling religion.

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Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

by Sea Breeze in

imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.

do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?

would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.

Touchofgrey

Sea breeze

People are influenced by religious leaders, coerced by beliefs that are promoted by their religion.as we all were when we were jws .

Atheism is not a belief system it's a lack of belief in a god or gods, I'm sure that you don't believe in thor ,Zeus and the other 3000 or so major gods throughout history, so you too are a atheist to these gods.

And yes man throughout history have done evil things to other humans because of the ideology of their different beliefs.

I have several times asked you to provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed and did the things that you believed he did, you have yet to provide any verified evidence, yet you continue to promote your form of christianity as the one true religion.

You have left one wacky doodle religion for equally wacky doodle religion.

Please do independent research into the bible and your beliefs with a critical thinking attitude.

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Would Watchtower Actually Murder Members Who Question the F&DS If They Could?

by Sea Breeze in

imagine if the watchtower had their own country where they could do what they wanted.

do you think they would actually kill people who disagreed with them?

would the elders be willing to carry out the executions?what say you?.

Touchofgrey

Imagine if any fundamentalist religion had there own country where they could do what they wanted ?

All religions are about control and manipulation of their followers and anyone who disagrees with them, so not unique to jws .

That's what I say .

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Touchofgrey

Sea breeze

You can't even provide independently verified evidence of a miracle worker called jesus, and the events that occurred at the supposed crucifixion eg temple curtain ripped in two ,darkness for three hours, earthquake and the holy ones walking out of their tombs. And that only happened about two thousand years ago .

Your Beliefs are based on myths and not facts.

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Touchofgrey

The Hebrew word Yom means 24 hours, a solar day ,exodus 20 : 8-11 Israel were to work for six days and rest on the 7th day "Yom " same word used in genesis. So not a thousand years.

Majority of Christian religions believed a 150 years ago that the creation account was made up of 7 days of 24 hours period. It was only pesky science that made them change their time scale.

So the serpent in the story didn't lie ,they didn't die in a day ,yom a 24 hour period of time.

The Adam and eve story is a myth, there's a similar story in the epic tales of galgermesh.

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Hey, Regarding the "Resurrection" thing and the WT denial of the Mt 27:51-53 incident...

by FragrantAddendum in

so according to bible.

elisha's bones were there when jehovah resurrected some other dude.

jesus could heal from a distance by power of god.

Touchofgrey

Can you please provide independently verified evidence that a miracle worker called jesus existed, the four gospels were written decades after the so called events by unknown authors so not eyewitness of the events ,and independently verified evidence that the events of mt 25:51-54 actually happened as even those who didn't believe in jesus would have witnessed those events and so you would think that someone would have recorded them.